Notes nov 13, 2007

November 13, 2007 § Leave a comment

I highly recommend reading this paper, precursor to a new book, on the system of the economy.Joseph Firmage – firmage.org

On Iraq and Congress.

From Open Left

Steny Hoyer on Iraq funding:

“We will and we must pay for whatever cost to protect the American people,” said House Democratic Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md. “But tragically, unfortunately, incredibly, the war is not making us safer.”

Incredibly? Hoyer, who voted for the war five years ago, is clearly speaking from the perspective of someone who thought invading Iraq was a good idea and would work smoothly. This perspective goes a long way toward explaining why he pushes Democrats in Congress to avoid more aggressive tactics to end the war, or at least show that they are trying to do more to end the war. I wonder how much of a divide there is between the roughly one-third of the country who opposed the war from the start, and the roughly one-third of the country who thought he war was a good idea, but have seen changed their minds. People like Hoyer are barely willing to admit they are wrong, much less pursue aggressive tactics to bring the war to end. Somehow, they either don’t want their noses rubbed in it, or they remain stuck in the mindset that voting for the war five years ago was a smart move politically.

What this is suggesting to me is that we are like that situation and science where those who believe in a certain theory do not change their minds but simply die and move off the historical stage.  That may be the fate in Iraq.  That is it might take as 10 years to shift the players and of to have a fundamentally different kind of approach.  It is clear that Hoyer is holding on to something and probably will not let go.

from Dan Froomkin – Where Are the E-mails – washingtonpost.com

Josh White writes in The Washington Post: “The economic costs to the United States of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan so far total approximately $1.5 trillion, according to a new study by congressional Democrats that estimates the conflicts’ ‘hidden costs’– including higher oil prices, the expense of treating wounded veterans and interest payments on the money borrowed to pay for the wars. …..Its report, titled ‘The Hidden Costs of the Iraq War,’ estimates that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have thus far cost the average U.S. family of four more than $20,000.”….

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